Stroudley First Class Coaches

General

The information for these coaches is drawn mainly from:

Carriage Stock of the LB&SCR
P.J. Newbury. Oakwood Press, 1976. pp. 80.
Corrections and Additions to The Carriage Stock of the LB&SCR
J.D. Abson. Brighton Circle, 1987.

Further information is taken directly from original LB&SCR Carriage Registers kept at The National Archives under references RAIL-414/740 and RAIL-414/741.

New Item For more comprehensive details see:

LB&SCR Carriages. Volume 1: 4 and 6 wheel ordinary passenger stock
I. White, S. Turner, S. Foulkes, Kestrel Railway Books, 2014. pp. [228]. (ISBN 978 1 905 505 35 7).
LB&SCR Carriages. Volume 2: 4 and 6 wheeled Saloons, Vans and Restorations
I. White, S. Turner, S. Foulkes, Kestrel Railway Books, 2016. pp. [224]. (ISBN 978 1 905 505 36 4).
Part two of the definitive work on Craven, Stroudley and Billinton 4 and 6 wheel vehicles.

First (Diagram 30/41)

Details

26 ft by 8 ft. 4 wheels. 4 first class compartments of 6 ft 4 in. Seating 32. Tare 9 tons 10 cwt.

Newbury drawing No.18

Number Built Withdrawn Notes
451 1872 At or before grouping  
452 1872 At or before grouping  
453 1872 At or before grouping  
454 1872 At or before grouping  
455 1873 At or before grouping  
456 1873 At or before grouping  
457 1873 At or before grouping  
458 1873 At or before grouping  
459 1873 At or before grouping  
460 1873 At or before grouping  
461 1873 At or before grouping  
462 1873 At or before grouping  
463 1873 At or before grouping  
464 1873 At or before grouping  
465 1873 At or before grouping  
466 1873 At or before grouping  
467 1874 At or before grouping  
468 1874 At or before grouping  
469 1874 At or before grouping  
470 1874 At or before grouping  
471 1874 At or before grouping  
472 1874 At or before grouping  
473 1874 At or before grouping  
474 1874 At or before grouping  
475 1874 At or before grouping  
476 1874 At or before grouping  
477 1874 At or before grouping  
478 1874 At or before grouping  
479 1874 At or before grouping  
480 1874 At or before grouping  
481 1874 At or before grouping  
482 1874 At or before grouping  
483 1874 At or before grouping  
484 1874 At or before grouping  
485 1874 At or before grouping  
486 1874 At or before grouping  
487 1874 At or before grouping  
488 1874 At or before grouping  
489 1874 At or before grouping  
490 1874 At or before grouping  
491 1875 At or before grouping  
492 1875 At or before grouping  
493 1875 At or before grouping  
494 1875 At or before grouping  
495 1875 At or before grouping  
496 1875 At or before grouping  
499 1876 At or before grouping  
500 1876 At or before grouping  
501 1877 At or before grouping  
502 1877 At or before grouping  
503 1877 At or before grouping  
504 1877 At or before grouping  
505 1877 At or before grouping  
544 1879 At or before grouping  
545 1879 At or before grouping  
546 1879 At or before grouping  
547 1879 At or before grouping  
548 1879 At or before grouping  
549 1879 At or before grouping  
550 1879 At or before grouping  
551 1879 At or before grouping  
552 1879 At or before grouping  
553 1879 At or before grouping  
554 1879 At or before grouping  
555 1879 At or before grouping  
556 1879 At or before grouping  
557 1879 At or before grouping  
558 1879 At or before grouping  
559 1879 At or before grouping  
560 1879 At or before grouping  
561 1879 At or before grouping  
701 1880 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
702 1880 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
703 1880 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
704 1880 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
705 1880 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
706 1880 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
707 1880 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
708 1880 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
709 1880 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
710 1880 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
711 1880 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
712 1880 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
713 1880 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
714 1880 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
715 1880 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
716 1880 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
717 1880 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
718 1880 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
719 1880 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
720 1880 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
721 1880 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
722 1880 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
723 1880 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
724 1880 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
725 1880 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
726 1880 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
727 1880 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
728 1880 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
729 1880 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
730 1880 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
731 1881 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
732 1881 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
733 1881 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
734 1881 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
735 1881 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
736 1881 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
737 1881 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
738 1881 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
739 1881 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
740 1881 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
741 1881 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
742 1881 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
743 1881 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
744 1881 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
745 1881 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
746 1881 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
747 1881 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
748 1881 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
749 1881 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
750 1881 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
751 1881 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
752 1881 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
753 1881 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
754 1881 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
755 1881 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
756 1881 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
757 1881 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
758 1881 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
759 1881 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
760 1881 At or before grouping Built by Midland Railway Carriage & Wagon Co.
1 December 1882 June 1902 Cost £303/10/-
4 December 1882 December 1903 Cost £303/10/-
5 December 1882 December 1903 Cost £303/10/-
8 December 1882 June 1905 Cost £303/10/-
9 December 1882 December 1903 Cost £303/10/-
10 December 1882 June 1902 Cost £303/10/-
12 December 1882 June 1902 Cost £303/10/-
14 December 1882 June 1905 Cost £303/10/-
15 December 1882 December 1904 Cost £303/10/-
16 December 1882 June 1905 Cost £303/10/1
18 June 1883 June 1903 Cost £423/11/6
20 June 1880 ? June 1903 Cost £423/14/6
21 June 1885 ? December 1901 Cost £420/14/6
27 June 1880 December 1901 Cost £420/14/6
28 June 1880 June 1903 Cost £420/14/6
29 June 1880 December 1901 Cost £420/14/6
31 June 1880 December 1903 Cost £423/14/6
34 June 1885 December 1903 Cost £423/14/6
35 June 1883 December 1903 Cost £423/14/6
38 June 1883 December 1905 Cost £423/14/6
39 June 1883 June 1921 Cost £423/14/6
44 June 1880 December 1905 Cost £423/14/6
47 June 1883 ? Cost £423/14/6
49 June 1883 December 1905 Cost £423/14/6
51 1883 At or before grouping  
30 June 1884 December 1900 Cost £379/1/7
54 1884 At or before grouping  
55 1884 At or before grouping  
57 1884 At or before grouping  
59 1884 At or before grouping  
60 1884 At or before grouping  
62 1884 At or before grouping  
64 1884 At or before grouping  
65 1884 At or before grouping  
66 1884 At or before grouping  
70 1884 At or before grouping  
71 1884 At or before grouping  
2 December 1885 June 1902 Cost £285/11/3
7 December 1885 December 1902 Cost £285/11/3
11 December 1885 June 1902 Cost £285/11/3
6 December 1886 December 1905 Cost £300/19/-
17 June 1886 June 1907 Cost £312/13/-
24 June 1886 June 1906 Cost £312/13/-
25 June 1886 December 1907 Cost £312/13/-
26 December 1886 December 1905 Cost £300/19/-
32 December 1886 December 1905 Cost £300/19/-

First (Diagram 35/-)

Details

49 ft 4½ in by 8 ft. Bogie vehicle. 7 first class compartments of 6 ft 11 in. Seating 42. Tare 21 tons.

Number Built Withdrawn Notes
761 1880 1909/1911 Built by Cravens
762 1880 1909/1911 Built by Cravens
763 1880 1909/1911 Built by Cravens
764 1880 1909/1911 Built by Cravens
765 1880 1909/1911 Built by Cravens
766 1880 1909/1911 Built by Cravens
767 1880 1911/1916 Built by Cleminsons (flexible wheelbase).
768 1880 1911/1916 Built by Cleminsons (flexible wheelbase).
769 1880 1911/1916 Built by Cleminsons (flexible wheelbase).
770 1880 1911/1916 Built by Cleminsons (flexible wheelbase).
771 1880 August 1916 Built by Cleminsons (flexible wheelbase). Transferred to 'Mess Room - Lancing' on withdrawal.
772 1880 1911/1916 Built by Cleminsons (flexible wheelbase).

First (Diagram 36/43)

Details

48 ft by 8 ft. 6 first class compartments of 7 ft 9¼ in. Seating 36. Tare 20 tons 10 cwt.

Newbury drawing No.23

Number Built Withdrawn Notes
73 1889 1919  
74 1889 1919  
75 1889 1919  
76 1889 1919  
77 1889 1919  
78 1889 1919  

First (Diagram 37/44)

Details

28 ft 4½ in by 8 ft. 6 wheels. Long buffers. 4 first class compartments of 6 ft 11 in. Seating 24. Tare 10 tons 8 cwt.

Newbury drawing No.19

Number Built Withdrawn Notes
312 1871 Before grouping  
313 1871 Before grouping  
429 1871 Before grouping  
432 1871 Before grouping  
434 1872 Before grouping  
435 1872 Before grouping  
436 1872 Before grouping  
437 1873 Before grouping  
438 1873 Before grouping  
439 1873 Before grouping  
445 1874 Before grouping  
446 1874 Before grouping  
447 1874 Before grouping  
448 1874 Before grouping  
449 1874 Before grouping  
450 1874 Before grouping  
504 1877 Before grouping  
506 1877 Before grouping  
507 1877 Before grouping  
508 1877 Before grouping  
509 1877 Before grouping  
511 1877 December 1908 Converted to Second-Brake (Dia.37d/149) No.127 in December 1908. Reclassified Third-Brake No.1651.
512 1877 Before grouping  
513 1877 May 1918 Transferred to 'Examiners - Hove' on withdrawal.
514 1877 November 1918 Transferred to 'Examiners - Eastbourne' on withdrawal.
519 1878 Before grouping  
520 1878 May 1919 Transferred to 'Lobby - New Cross' on withdrawal.
521 1878 December 1908 Converted to Composite (Dia.37c/82) No.98.
522 1878 June 1917 Transferred to 'Seaplane Station - Newhaven' on withdrawal.
523 1878 Before grouping  
524 1878 Before grouping  
525 1878 1907 Converted to Second (Dia.37a/148) No.425 in 1907. Then to Third No.1658.
526 1878 Before grouping  
527 1878 Before grouping  
528 1878 May 1907 Converted to Second (Dia.37a/148) No.237.
529 1878 Before grouping  
530 1878 December 1907 Converted to Composite (Dia.37b/82) No.188.
531 1878 December 1908 Converted to Composite (Dia.37c/82) No.310.
532 1878 Before grouping  
533 1878 December 1907 Converted to Composite (Dia.37c/82) No.197.
534 1879 Before grouping  
535 1879 ? Converted to Composite (Dia.37c/82) No.234.
536 1879 Before grouping  
537 1879 June 1907 Converted to Second (Dia.37a/148) No.237.
538 1879 April 1907 Converted to Composite (Dia.37b/82) No.165.
539 1879 June 1907 Converted to Second-Brake (Dia.37d/149) No.265 in 1909. Reclassified Third-Brake No.1640.
540 1879 April 1907 Converted to Second (Dia.37a/148) No.240 in 1907. Then to Third No.1508.
541 1879 Before grouping  
570 1879 Before grouping  
571 1880 Before grouping  
572 1880 December 1907 Converted to Second (Dia.37a/148) No.238.
601 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
602 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
603 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
604 1880 December 1907 Built by Brown Marshalls. Converted to Second (Dia.37a/148) No.136 in 1907. Then to Third No.1615.
605 1880 December 1908 Built by Brown Marshalls. Converted to Composite (Dia.37c/82) No.347.
606 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
607 1880 June 1918 Built by Brown Marshalls. Transferred to 'Female Carriage Cleaners - Hastings' on withdrawal.
608 1880 June 1917 Built by Brown Marshalls. Transferred to 'Seaplane Station - Newhaven' on withdrawal.
609 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
610 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
611 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
612 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
613 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
614 1880 Decmber 1908 Built by Brown Marshalls. Converted to Second-Brake (Dia.37d/149) No.258 in 1908. Reclassified Third-Brake No.1577.
615 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
616 1880 April 1907 Built by Brown Marshalls. Converted to Second (Dia.37a/148) No.241 in 1907. Then to Third No.1770.
617 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
618 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
619 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
620 1880 May 1907 Built by Brown Marshalls. Converted to Composite (Dia.37b/82) No.412.
621 1880 June 1909 Built by Brown Marshalls. Converted to Second-Brake (Dia.37d/149) No.264 in 1909. Reclassified Third-Brake No.1635.
622 1880 June 1907 Built by Brown Marshalls. Converted to Second (Dia.37a/148) No.245 in 1907. Then to Third No.1609.
623 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
624 1880 June 1919 Built by Brown Marshalls. Sold to Mr. Spice on withdrawal.
625 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
626 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
627 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
628 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
629 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
630 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
631 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
632 1880 May 1907 Built by Brown Marshalls. Converted to Second (Dia.37a/148) No.239 in 1907. Then to Third No.1710.
633 1880 December 1908 Built by Brown Marshalls. Converted to Second-Brake (Dia.37d/149) No.2.
634 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
635 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
636 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
637 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
638 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
639 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
640 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
641 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
642 1880 1908 ? Built by Brown Marshalls. Converted to Composite (Dia.37c/82) No.201.
643 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
644 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
645 1880 April 1907 Built by Brown Marshalls. Converted to Composite (Dia.37b/82) No.174.
646 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
647 1880 March 1917 Built by Brown Marshalls. Transferred to 'Allotment Use - Lancing' on withdrawal.
648 1880 June 1909 Built by Brown Marshalls. Converted to Second-Brake (Dia.37d/149) No.266 in 1909. Reclassified Third-Brake No.1644.
649 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
650 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
651 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
652 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
653 1880 December 1908 Built by Brown Marshalls. Converted to Second (Dia.37a/148) No.256 in 1907. Then to Third No.1634.
654 1880 June 1909 Built by Brown Marshalls. Converted to Second-Brake (Dia.37d/149) No.267 in 1909. Reclassified Third-Brake No.1595.
655 1880 December 1908 Built by Brown Marshalls. Converted to Second-Brake (Dia.37d/149) No.257 in 1908. Reclassified Third-Brake No.1633.
656 1880 December 1907 Built by Brown Marshalls. Converted to Second-Brake (Dia.37d/149) No.137.
657 1880 March 1918 Built by Brown Marshalls. Transferred to 'Female Cleaners Lobby - New Cross' on withdrawal.
658 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
659 1880 December 1908 Built by Brown Marshalls. Converted to Second-Brake (Dia.37d/149) No.260 in 1908. Reclassified Third-Brake No.1600.
660 1880 December 1908 Built by Brown Marshalls. Converted to Second-Brake (Dia.37d/149) No.261 in 1908. Reclassified Third-Brake No.1646.
661 1880 June 1909 Built by Brown Marshalls. Converted to Second-Brake (Dia.37d/149) No.262. Currently being restored on the Bluebell Railway.
662 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
663 1880 1907 Built by Brown Marshalls. Converted to Second (Dia.37a/148) No.2 in 1907. Then to Third No.1550.
664 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
665 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
666 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
667 1880 December 1908 Built by Brown Marshalls. Converted to Second-Brake (Dia.37d/149) No.194 in 1908. Reclassified Third-Brake No.1648.
668 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
669 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
670 1880 April 1907 Built by Brown Marshalls. Converted to Second (Dia.37a/148) No.242 in 1907.
671 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
672 1880 December 1919 Built by Brown Marshalls. Transferred to 'New Cross Sidings' on withdrawal.
673 1880 May 1907 Built by Brown Marshalls. Converted to Composite (Dia.37c/82) No.168.
674 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
675 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
676 1880 circa.1907 Built by Brown Marshalls. Converted to Composite (Dia.37b/82) No.53.
677 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
678 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
679 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
680 1880 May 1907 Built by Brown Marshalls. Converted to Second (Dia.37a/148) No.243 in 1907. Then to Third No.1714.
681 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
682 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
683 1880 December 1907 Built by Brown Marshalls. Converted to Second (Dia.37a/148) No.249.
684 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
685 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
686 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
687 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
688 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
689 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
690 1880 June 1908 Built by Brown Marshalls. Converted to Composite (Dia.37c/82) No.400.
691 1880 June 1908 Built by Brown Marshalls. Converted to Composite (Dia.37c/82) No.398.
692 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
693 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
694 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
695 1880 June 1909 Built by Brown Marshalls. Converted to Second-Brake (Dia.37d/149) No.263 in 1909. Reclassified Third-Brake No.1640.
696 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
697 1880 December 1907 Built by Brown Marshalls. Converted to Second (Dia.37a/148) No.248.
698 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.
699 1880 May 1907 Built by Brown Marshalls. Converted to Composite (Dia.37c/82) No.195.
700 1880 Before grouping Built by Brown Marshalls.

First Coupe (Diagram 38/-)

Details

28 ft 4½ in by 8 ft. 6 wheels. Long buffers. 4 first class compartments of 6 ft 11 in. Seating 24. Tare 10 tons 8 cwt.

Number Built Withdrawn Notes
440 1873 1905  
441 1873 1903  

First Brake (Diagram 39/45)

Details

28 ft 4½ in. 6 wheels. 3 first class compartments.

Number Built Withdrawn Notes
515 1877 1903  
516 1877 1905  
517 1877 1903  
518 1877 1905  
603 April 1907 1920 Converted from Frist Dia.37 for 'Members Race Train'.
651 April 1907 1920 Converted from Frist Dia.37 for 'Members Race Train'.

First Brake (Diagram 40/-)

Details

26 ft by 8 ft. 4 wheels. 2 first class compartments of 6 ft 11 in. Seating 12. Tare 9 tons 15 cwt. Long Buffers

Number Built Withdrawn Notes
152 1873 1902  
153 1873 1900 Reclassified Third No.723 in 1900, withdrawn in 1907
515 1877 1903/1905  
516 1877 1903/1905  
517 1877 1903/1905  
518 1877 1903/1905